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If men and women at times seem to be from different planets, it may be because there are large differences in their personalities, a new study suggests.
The results show that about 18 percent of women share similar personalities with men, and 18 percent of men share similar personalities with women. But the majority of women have personality traits that are quite distinct from those of men, and vice versa, the researchers say.
Men tend to be more dominant (forceful and aggressive) and emotionally stable, while women tend to be more sensitive, warm (attentive to others) and apprehensive, the study found.
"Psychologically, men and women are almost a different species," said study researcher Paul Irwing, of the University of Manchester, in the United Kingdom.
The new findings may explain why some careers are dominated by men (such as engineering) and others by women (such as psychological sciences), Irwing said.
"People self-select in terms of their personality… and what they think is going to be suitable in terms of the fit," for their career, Irwing said.
However, the paper, published today (Jan. 4) in the journal PLoS ONE, has drawn criticism from others in the field who argue the methods the researchers used for computing their results are flawed, and that men and women are not so dissimilar after all.
Irwing and colleagues analyzed information from more than 10,000 people in the United States between the ages of 15 and 92 who took a personality test. The tests were designed to measure 15 personality facets, including warmth, emotional stability, dominance, liveliness, social boldness, sensitivity and openness to change.
The researchers then combined the scores on these personality facets to compute what they call the "global difference" in personality between men and women. The "global difference," is essentially a sum of all the differences.
Previous studies have underestimated how much the sexes actually differ because they have instead computed the average score, said study researcher Marco Del Giudice, of the University of Turin in Italy.
But the findings counter the prevailing view among psychologists that, on the whole, men and women are more similar than they are different, in a number of ways, including personality traits.
Janet Shibley Hyde, a professor of psychology and women's studies at the University of Wisconsin who published a paper in 2005 that was influential in contributing to this hypothesis, said the new study does not overturn this view.
For starters, the men and women in the study assessed their own personality traits. People may be inclined to rate themselves in a way that conforms with gender stereotypes, Hyde said. "It's not very manly to say that you're sensitive," she said.
Hyde also said using the 15 personality facets to compute a "global difference" gives you a value that doesn't have any actual meaning.
"It's really uninterpretable, it doesn't mean anything," Hyde said.
In addition, the way the researchers crunched their numbers biases their results, because their method maximizes the differences between males and females, Hyde said.
Patrick Ian Armstrong, a professor of psychology at Iowa State University, agreed with Hyde's assessment. Armstrong pointed out that the "global difference" value will actually get bigger the more personality factors the researchers consider (so analyzing 15 factors will show a greater difference than analyzing five factors.)
Given the issues with the study's methods, "it's not as open and shut a case as they make it out to be," Armstrong said. "The questions they're trying to answer are probably still worth asking," Armstrong said.
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So, where's the personality test? I'd like to know where I stand.
Amazing news. This is not really news; what is news is the way the author, and therefore TODAY, spend little time reporting the findings of the report, and most of the article doing the "politically correct" thing of refuting that differences do exist.
Having other experts say that their procedure was flawed is hardly doing the PC thing, hell it's better than the usual media response which is to believe anything they are told, put the word science says in front of any statement and the media will gobble it up and dispense it as fact.
I agree with Dan. The article was so unusual in that it is in the main an attack on the study with very little of the study details reported. And, as Dan implies, the zeitgeist of the past 30 years is to claim no differences in men and women exit when any of us with children or grandchildren know they do and see the differences daily.
I'll one-up you there, Gary-- anyone who knows a few people of both sexes can attest to the fact that men and women have different personalities.
I thought it was common knowledge, but I guess nothing is a fact until scientists make a study and "prove" it.
Yep, men and women have different personality types. I married a woman. I know. The only ones who would argue on this point are feminists who believe that men and women are the same in every way. And for the ultra-dominant buzz haircut feminist, this is probably true. For the rest of women, not so much.
I strongly agree with uniquelyununique. Most media reports of science articles give poor approximations of the published report with no description of its flaws. I was surprised to read an article that provided an educated counterpoint from peers in the field. This Web article author did more due diligence than most science writers writing for large news outlets. I was equally surprised that the first comment essentially attacked this approach. You are actually witnessing relatively good science writing.
I'll go one step further Charle7834. One out of every 4 people are freaking jerks; with mental, or emotional problems. If your 3 closest friends seem pretty normal.............?
How much did we spend on this study? Of course, men and women are different. The process of dominating in careers however, I think is a little less about what kind of personality men and women have, but rather what the other sex will allow. Women will welcome men into their fields, but generally not the other way around, such as engineering. However, in terms of how people relate to one another, that just comes from how you grew up.
It's not about doing the "PC" thing. It's about having common sense. Yes, there are differences between the sexes, but if they weren't so painfully exacerbated by society, I'm sure they would not be a huge deal. We wouldn't have a reason to hate each other so much, and the media (like this dumb article), wouldn't try to turn us against each other. Men are not naturally 'dominant,' and women are not naturally 'submissive'. Every human being has a different personality. Each ethnic background, religion, socioeconomic status, we are all different! This is just the media trying to make a reason for there to be sexism in the workplace. Hate'em 'cause they're different. Ridiculous. Everyone has at least some traits of the opposite sex. No one is fully 'masculine' or fully 'feminine'. Get along and treat each other as people.
I hadn't noticed any differences. But then I'm a man.
LOL
My husband doesn't notice much of anything.
Like your dumping on him online...
It's a joke!
And my husband would recognize it as such...
People argue if you say there are differences in the way men and women's personalities and the way they think -- because that means you're sexist.
They will also argue if you say they're personalities are identical -- because that means they're not as special.
People like to box people into little groups and stereotypes, until they are the ones being put into that stereotype, then suddenly its wrong and disturbing.
Penises can cause blindness and retardation in men.
My reaction to this article:
"No Sh*t, Sherlock"
and how many millions of dollars of tax dollars did this little gem cost? Anyone who is human with a brain can figure this out - you don't need a degree, statistics or even a taxpayer funded study to - wow - figure men and women are wired differently . . .
Thank you, Tina. I quite agree, and with your sentiment, too. Whether it's PC or not, studies (I can't give any attribution here; I'm not a good academic doobie.) have demonstrated that men and women are - in fact - hardwired differently, that their minds do work differently. The PC crowd damned those studies, too. However, there is factual basis for that sexist mantra: "Men are from Mars, women are from Venus." There are differences. "Vive la difference!"
Nah, men and women, people in general are pretty much the same. They are driven by various drives and desires in similar ways, women are born with smaller bodies and as a result have learned skills that benefit them, and men use skills that typically being bigger and stronger allow them to thrive, the actually brain functioning is not that different, its the basic survival tactics that are different, but tactics are learned, they aren't biological.
unique -- not really. Different chemicals and levels flood the bodies of both sexes with vastly different behavior resulting.
Saying the gender's are so different is a way for people to admit that they don't understand other people, but instead of admitting that on the surface, they make it seem like the other gender is just SOOOO different that this is the reason for the failure to understand. It's a lame excuse IMHO.
People are more similar than not. It's why so many people believe in God - because they have the same needs to believe in something like that and the idea works for so many.
"Keep digging, Watson!!"
In all seriousness, men and women ARE different. Why is it necessary to prove/disprove this? Do we have to be the same? There isn't a problem with this, is there? Should there be? It doesn't mean we have to treat people differently. Men and women should be afforded the same respect, compassion, compensation, etc. no matter what.
Guys are dogs and chicks are chicks. Been going on for a few million years.
Someone PLEASE tell me they didn't spend any of our tax dollars on this! Yet another stupid study to justify millions of dollars in research grants, when the money could be better spent on, say, solving world hunger? Curing AIDS? Finding a cure for the common cold? ANYTHING that isn't easily defined by common sense!
You didn't read the article at all, did you Catsclaw?
Why do idiots like you always assume that research grants are thrown into every study?
And this study was done at the University of Manchester. In the United Kingdom.
You are a dumbass.
"Janet Shibley Hyde, a professor of psychology and women's studies at the University of Wisconsin who published a paper in 2005 that was influential in contributing to this hypothesis, said the new study does not overturn this view."
Who you reckon paid for her study to publish her paper? The UoW? Not likely Sherlock?
Why is there no announcement of the finding revealing women are prone to jealousy, gossip and back-stabbing. And that's just their behavior/personality traits around other women...
Chill out. You MIGHT call this a sexist statement, but you're pretty arrogant and dense if you don't hear all of the misandronist comments and attitudes that float aroundt he workplace. There is an increasingly content population of man-hating and depricating women at the workplace than men (under age 45-50) that hate women or are depricating. Men state their sarcasm or poor judgment up front in words. Women connive and undermine the workplace when they have a problem with fellow male or female colleagues...Truth. Accept it.
Or the announcement that men have pot guts, wear fake camouflage, pretend to be macho and masturbate non-stop? Forty years in business, I can remember two--exactly two--that I woud classify as "man-haters". And one of those had a damn good reason.
Stop
Maybe you notice lots of "man-hating women" because that's the way women tend to act AROUND YOU.
But why would women act that way around "stop?" He's such a gem you'd think women would be lining up outside his door. NOT!!!!!
Stop is pretty amazing, isn't he? I bet he is totally mystified why he never gets a second date.
Or a first one.LOL
Stop, after working in many manufacturing jobs, I firmly believe that men gossip more than women do. And a LOT of it is very mean and sexist.
There is only one example to give. Men like Sex, and women don't. women like shoes, Men like Sex. women like pretty thing Men like Sex. women cry over humanity problems, Men like Sex. women will do anything for money, Men will do anything for Sex, with anybody, from 1 to 99, or with anything. So why was this study done?
Wow-seems I've been tricking myself into liking sex all this time....maybe women just don't like sex with you because you stereotype all of them all of the time.....
Sounds like you have some personal problems..........and a one track mind!
Sabina, we like sandwiches too!
larry-341293......it's just sex with YOU they do not like !
I think it was Billy Crystal who said: "Women need a reason to have sex. Men just need a place.
It was me who said: "Men spend nine months coming out of a woman and the rest of their lives trying to get back in."
LOL
Sorry, Tina, but Men spend nine months coming out of a womb and the rest of their lives trying to get back in" is a Robin Williams joke from his "Live at the Met" show.
Sorry, people are all the same. The idea of various traits and grand differences is nonsense, humans are basically the same, environment shapes the details, but biologically we are all pretty similar need food, water, sex ect... Its not actually all that complicated
Absolutely false statment, unique. Males and females are, and always have been, vastly different creatures. You have fallen victim of the last 20 to 30 years of media myth that we are equal in every way. We saw the discrimination suits by the thousands all over the nation, women wanting to be cops, firemen, military officers, pilots, etc. But each instance, the laws and test requirements had to be vastly lowered to accommodate the weakness of the female recruits. They could not perform at the same leve.
Anecdotally you are wrong. Had the opportunity to work in a predominantly female profession. Had an avowed feminist say begrudgingly that this particular profession would not improve till there were more men in it. Countless times I have had women tell me that they would much rather work with a man than a woman.
uniquelyununique......if you believe that then you do not have a clue !
Actually I do. Thats the point, women aint exactly a mystery, they are pretty predictable and think pretty much like I do, and so do men, just to clarify, sorry women have generally the same motives as I do, its called logic, we all use it, sometimes in a flawed way I admit.
TOTAL BS: Women are vindictive, vengeful, and greedy.
EVERYTHING has to go their way, or they mope and whine forever, until they get their way.
Watch "Snapped" on The Oxygen Channel.
More women are REALLY like this, than "sensitive" etc.
There are more women like Casey Anthony, than there are like Mother Teresa... BY FAR.
It's all a con job.
Somebody never got laid.
Wow - your perception of women is based off of the show Snapped? Seriously?
I'm pretty sure what he's saying is that the show provides a fairly accurate representation of a real world phenomenon. Most women are in turn influenced by the silly girly talk shows they watch (Oprah et al.), which only further exacerbates the problem. If you doubt the veracity of his claims, then perhaps you should talk to married men. You probably won't find too many of them these days, with the higher than 50% divorce rate, 66% of which are initiated by women. These vile, vindictive, over-privileged scums essentially connive you into entering into a legal contract with them, and when they get bored of you they leave and collect 50% of your present and future earning potentials even though you were only married to them for a blink of an eye.
Not all of us watch Oprah (gag me) or read romance novels.
I am a woman who can only be described as unconventional.
There ARE a few of us out there...
There's not enough of you unfortunately, but yes, there are a few.
Most women want three things, money, babies, and a free ride for life.
And you can't put women on juries; they'll let women (ala Casey Anthony) go, and throw a man in jail for years because he cheated on his wife--even though that has nothing to do with the alleged crime that he is being charged with.
Women can't get past the cheating--they'll convict a cheating man of anything.
One woman accused her husband of being a child molester because he cheated on her.
Zero evidence; she never even accused him of it before.
Her reasoning: "Well, if he cheated on me, then I could see him being a child molester."
I never realized there was ever a question! Of course there is a huge difference. Mind have full, matured and logical working brains. Duh?
Men are creatures of logic. Women are creatures of emotion. Never the twain shall meet. If you chose to debate this, just count the number of society changing inventions which have sprung from the mind of a woman. No offense to women. I love women. But we are completely different. I actually wish there were more women political leaders in the world. I am sure that the world's violent nature would be abated. Fewer women would send their sons to die in a stupid war. They (women) would be more prone to use rhetoric than weapons.
Seven, you are correct about wars.
No mother in her right mind would send her son (or daughter) to die in a war.
@Seven: " I am sure that the world's violent nature would be abated."
But Seven, women rate men sexually by their potential for violence. Do you see the contradiction in your assumption? Cheerleaders provide pagentized rectal display for the most aggressive, potentially violent males, much like other female primates, mountain goats, bears, gorillas etc. And the whole time shouting "GO, FIGHT, WIN!"
See the irony? Perhaps even hypocrisy?
"Men think with logic. Women think with emotion."
Incorrect. People think with both because all *people* have both a left and right side of the brain. I'm no feminist, I just have common sense. Quit stereotyping the sexes!
Degenerates: This study proves that women really DO belong in the kitchen. That's the only workplace they're suite to.
People with brains: Whatever.
The end.
Strato, I bet you made your wife wear a white dress at your wedding so that the dishwasher would match the rest of the kitchen appliances!
Sir, you missed it, and Strato, you win.
Women are SO EMOTIONAL, and often illogical... yet those same insane women are allowed to be man-hating prosecutors and judges (Gloria Allred types).
And, if you want to get a conviction of a man... just fill the jury with emotional women.
Want to get a murderess off... fill the jury with emotional women.
Sickening.
summer, I'm guessing someone took you for that free ride and dumped you? Way to be bitter.
He strongly insinuated in one of his prior posts that a woman reported him for child molestation.
Summer, you didn't have any milk for your Wheaties today?
kc: Most false child sexual abuse accusations occur during heated divorce cases.
I notice profound differences between women from different cultures...and no, it's not all about their lack of freedom. Different cultures train their children differently and the girls grow up with different values. American and some other Western women are the worst....it is all about consumerism...and men proving their love for women through large purchases. The women are taught that they are priceless commodities...therefore all relationships revolve around supporting their lazy arses. Funny thing is...they never want people to call them "prostitutes!" In America, women are entitled to everything...yet responsible for nothing....they are therefore treated as children by the Courts. Our social and legal systems need to be reformed, but our obsession with consumerism will probably preclude that.
I've seen men who behave like women, they're called gay.
They are also called "manginas." These guys that are always trying to be ardent radical feminists who "protect" women against the "evil" male threat. These are usually the "metro-sexual" guys trying to be "intellectual", but often appearing to be either a-sexual or full-blown queer. I see a lot of married yuppies like this...the man is a sissy mary and the wife dominates and controls him.
I'm gay. Got a problem with that?
As long as you stay away from me and mine...not a problem in this world. You can do whatever you want to do...just don't force or expect me to accept it as normal.
My face is covered with a golden magical beard that would make a viking jealous! My chest hair hassles the Hoff! I like watching sports, drinking beer and whiskey, mowing the lawn, and cutting firewood. However, I can't make it through movies that touch on father and son relationships, underdogs, father and daughter relationships, child and dog relationships, sappy love stories, and wonderful lives without choking up. I think it's alright for men to be empathetic and caring and don't think those traits should be categorized as womanly. Those are more of what I would consider good people traits, in my opinion.
Careful there winker,
I'm detecting faint indications of a pussy-begging sycophant, but this is not to say that I disagree that men can be empathetic or caring. I don't know about the sappy love stories though. Make sure there is no dirt on your knees!
wb52
I have to disagree there. Intrasexual relationships have always been around. There's a society (I think New Guinea but it's been a while since my last anthropology course) where young men suck the sperm of older men to get vitality and energy (I can't make this up). I suppose you could argue this isn't really "homosexual," but I'm sure there are better examples. I would also add that there's more than one "sex" as there are a great deal of people who sort of fall between man and woman. I would put gays squarely in the middle somewhere: Not fully men and not fully women, but absolutely normal and they deserve the same respect afforded to everyone else in society.
wb52: Your fear of homosexuals is sad. I hope you can overcome it someday.
Baldman: Great comment. I don't mind being called "not fully a man" - I partially agree with you. But I sincerely appreciate your acceptance and rational view of homosexuality.
Real men are not threatened by homosexuals.
Real men have nothing to prove.
My husband will cry at the drop of a hat, he is a kind and loving person.
Some people may think that he is a wimp for doing that, but trust me, he is no wimp.
Tina:
Real men don't let women define what it means to be a real man. They define it for themselves, and if the women don't approve, they tell them to s*ck it. The fact that we have so many manginas and conscious men parading themselves as the real men nowadays is a testament to our failure as men to define for ourselves what constitutes a real man. We have far too long let these feminazi's define for us who a real man is and the result is a generation of powerless, emasculated men. It is truly pitiful. What's even worse is that women themselves aren't genuinely attracted to the new brand of emasculated men they've helped usher in. They get bored with them relatively quickly; need I remind anyone again that 66% of divorce are initiated by women in an age where predisposition to infidelity is essentially 50-50 between the sexes?
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2007-03-20-names-marriage_N.htm (More men taking wives' last names)
Someone told me once that the reason he joined the feminist movement was that it was a good place to get laid.
LOL
I myself took a feminism elective in college when I was younger and didn't know better. Unfortunately there isn't a competing narrative against feminism that reminds men they have nothing to be ashamed/apologize about for being male and chastises the pussy-begging sycophants who will go to any length of personal degradation to seek a woman's approval. To these feminist men/manginas/conscious men, there self abasement knows no boundaries!
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2009/03/18/real-men-wear-skirts.html (Real Men Wear Skirts).
I think most heterosexual men are "pussy-begging'.
Well that's what we aim to change. The younger guys have problems understanding this thanks in part to the feminist indoctrination they've received at their liberal arts colleges, but if wisdom is at all any correlate to age (and it certainly isn't in all cases), the prevailing understanding among the more experienced ones, at least those that have learned from their experiences, is that it is far better to live the rest of your life single than be attached to the personality-bankrupt women being churned out en-masse by the current state of our society. Of course, as usual, I maintain that there are few exceptions. Some women nowadays feel comfortable going to a bar without even bringing money because there never seems to be a shortage of bottom feeders ready to buy them a drink. These pussy-begging men not only dishonor themselves, they also degrade the very woman that is the object of their uncontrolled affection.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IOuW2-YImI (A message to "Conscious Men").
Men and women different? Really? Ya think? I hope no tax dollars were spent on this ground breaking research.
hted, wanna bet?
Wow, who would've guessed that men and women are different?
Men, women really do have big personality differences....NO Sh_(i)_T
Would a woman who was raised by a single father or a man raised by a single mother take on some of those opposite sex traits? Meaning, will a girl learn to be more assertive, dominant or aggressive as a result of constant male modeling over female? Will a boy raised by a modest female lack those dominant traits?
Girls are taught to nurture, boys are taught to take charge. At least that's what I think. If a child is thrown into a parenting role, assertiveness becomes a trait regardless of sex, because they learn to take CHARGE early in life.
I was raised by a herd of men.....5 brothers and a dad. I am NOT like them (although I love them dearly). Like others I cannot believe that someone felt the need to do this study. I will never understand why we can't embrace and work with your differences. My patient nurturing female personality buffers a man's git-er-done and move on aggressiveness....AND Vice versa.
Meridith,
Very interesting, SIX MEN! You must have some sort of toughness about you. I mean you, as the nurturing female must have had to stand your ground numerous times. I had two bros and a five year younger sis and we two females had to stand up to all three boys in the house, before that, it was just me against the three. Of course the conflicts were silly things that I remember most, "Not another Raquel Welch or OO7 movie, our turn! We're watching Cary Grant." Old TV/vids, Movie nights;-)
I agree that we balance each other out in regards to female/male behaviors.
This study makes perfect sense to me. Ever since our entry into WWII when American Industry found itself in need of a labor force--it didn't have--to build the ships and tanks, planes, etc. for that war and then immediately following as the Cold War began and it was noted that Russian women seemed to bear up well doing heavy construction, the idea took root and the hiring of women in America in what were once male dominated fields exploded; fields that until then had always been relegated to men were now open to women as well.
And what's been the outcome? Since then, we've seen the situation only exacerbate as more and more women have taken on these jobs, while it expanded the labor force; in the process of doing so, it has emasculated men, defeminized women, and played havoc on children while at the same time driven down real wages, making a single wage earner family a thing of the past!
There are some differences, but it mostly has to do with conditioning, the culture you live in and how you were raised. Stereotyping people and lumping them into catagories despite that everyone has their own unique personality traits is a problem in our society. Labeling all men as tough, unfeeling slobs with big beer guts who can't control their urges, and all women as weak emotional wrecks who are totally selfish is so BS!!! Human beings are individually unique and not all carbon copies because of their sex. A lot of these male and female behaviors are learned during our formative years and everybody has certain degrees of these traits in their personalities regardless of your sex. Many men can be firm and dominant, yet sensitive and caring when they need to be, and many women can be emotional, yet strong and independent at the same time. It's insulting to be stereotyped, unless you happen to fit that stereotype, but otherwise, stereotyping results in hateful prejudices toward people and is counterproductive in our society.
I think the main differences between men and women boil down to one sex being taught to grow up and take responsibility, while the other sex being taught that she has special privilege in society as a result of her sexual organs. One sex will see boldness as a useful personality trait to have and therefore develop himself into acquiring it, while the other will learn the cunning, emotionally manipulative ways that have served her predecessors faithfully.
A little Bald Guy Complex there, Fella? That's known in female circles as Bald Guy Syndrome or Short Bald Guy Syndrome.Some bald guys are great-looking (of course.)Not too smart to walk around with a chip on one's shoulder over something that can be inconsequential.
Or are we angry at women because they keep turning somebody down? Imagine that.
I've met a very few truly strong men in my life.One was my deceased father who saw combat in two wars,earned a Bronze Star, and came out of it still the kindest person I've ever met.
Still,I've been in health care enough years to know that any woman who has ever given birth knows more about strength and handling pain than most men ever will.I'm wondering how many women on this board have ever been thoroughly disgusted by some guy acting like he's got a brain tumor when he's really only got the exact same cold symptoms that we have only we're not saying anything about it.
Nonetheless I don't like generalizations.We all know some strong men and some wimpy women.It's just that the strong people of either gender don't go around telling other people how much more grown up and responsible they are than entire groups of other people.They don't have to because they are the real thing so they don't have to try to convince people.
A lot of strong women who are capable of taking care of ourselves and can handle real problems are tired of being disappointed to learn that the man who had our attention, too often can't do the same, the first time we see the guy faced with a crisis.In other words women who can handle life would like for the men who can't to step aside so that only the men who act like adults are in our line of view.
Proving my point so soon? "Because we, women, are the only ones who give birth, therefore we deserve special privilege in a society." While it is anatomically impossible for men to bear children, it is of course ridiculous to assume that women bear more pain in their life time than men do, which is essentially the underhanded argument you're trying to make here. Nice try cupcake.
Since my argument doesn't rely on any intrinsic properties of both sexes (say, the ability of one in particular to bear children), it obviously cannot be accused of "generalizing." Women who are raised well will not show these despicable personality traits, but the fact is that their population is dwindling at an astronomic rate, part of which coincided with the encroachment of feminism into areas beyond simply demanding equal voting rights and fair pay for women.
Yet you all wonder why less and less men want to get married? Who, in their right minds, would want to enter a legal contract with proven psychopaths?
Easily agitated aren't you? See your physician,it's not my problem.My opinion stands.
I'm sure your opinion stands, but it stands against reason. Now buzz off.
KC, I'd like to affirm that your last paragraph (in 23.2) says it all.