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Put those tissues to good use if you want to practice good flu etiquette.
For Ryan Holiday, a 24-year-old marketing director from New Orleans, it was the sneeze he'll never forget.
"I was working at Burger King when I was about 17 and made an enemy out of the line cook, who we all called Shaggy," he says. "One day, Shaggy shows up to work sniffling. I didn't think much of it, but late in our shift, he calls me over and says he wants to show me something."
Unfortunately, what he wanted to show him was what happens when you inhale a handful of pepper.
"Shaggy snorted this packet of pepper and then sneezed directly into my face," says Holiday. "Big, phlegmy chunks of flu in my hair, on my nose, in my mouth. I quit on the spot."
While intentional germ warfare is rare, many of us have found ourselves at the mercy of "that guy," the person who continues to work, play and fulfill social obligations even though he (or she) has the flu.
"That guy is the person who continues to go about his or her activities despite having influenza," says Dr. Susan Rehm, medical director for National Foundation for Infectious Diseases and vice chair of the department of infectious disease at Cleveland Clinic. "Nearly two thirds of the people in our recent survey said if they have influenza they were going to continue on."
The problem is, soldiering on is not only bad for your own health, it's bad for every else's since flu germs are highly contagious, says Anna Post of the Emily Post Institute, who's teamed up with the NFID to help educate people about proper flu etiquette.
"I think the biggest flu etiquette offense is knowing you have flu symptoms and still going out instead of making an appointment with your doctor," she says. "If you know you're not feeling well, you need to stay at home. That goes for work and travel and parties. And when it comes to kids, that means canceling play dates and keeping them home from school."
Rehm says the current flu season hasn't peaked yet so it's not too late to get vaccinated, one of the best ways to prevent the flu.
Outside of that, practicing good flu etiquette is crucial to stopping the spread of the germs, which can travel up to six feet in the air after a cough or sneeze and live for up to two hours on hard surfaces (like a door handle, elevator button or telephone).
What is proper flu etiquette?
According to Post, it's washing your hands often and/or always carrying alcohol-based hand sanitizer for yourself or for that sniffling someone sitting next to you. It's also sneezing into your shoulder or your elbow or even down the front of your shirt, especially when in confined spaces like an elevator or airplane. And it's refusing to shake hands with people if you're feeling sick or you think they might be.
"Just tell them 'I'm sorry, I feel like I'm coming down with something but it's nice to meet you,'" says Post. "And if they're sick, I would keep it simple and tell them, 'I'm sorry I can't shake hands but it's nice to meet you.' Or shake hands and then immediately wash up."
Both Rehm and Post say educating yourself about the flu is key, too, pointing out the handy acronym FACTS -- fever, aches, chills, tiredness and sudden onset -- as an easy way to tell what's influenza (a serious illness that kills between 4,000 and 40,000 and hospitalizes 200,000 people a year) and what's a common cold.
Holiday says he's definitely been more wary of germs ever since the pepper spray incident, washing his hands often, carrying hand sanitizer always and staying home from restaurants, etc., when he's sick (he works remotely so doesn't have to worry about contaminating coworkers when he's sick).
"I was in the airport the other day and this guy was sneezing constantly in front of me in line," he says. "I immediately backed away. I don't wear a mask in public but I am more careful."
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So you tell me....when you have kids and you always get what they get so you run out of sick days per year, how exactly do you pay the bills if you don't keep going? I wear a mask and make sure I Clorox wipe my work station if I even have a remote sniffle. But I love how doctors can tell us not to work but they don't have to pay our bills.
"If you know you're not feeling well, you need to stay at home."
Easier said than done lady.
Our company eliminated sick days last year and lumped all of our vacation, holiday, sick days, etc into a Paid Time Off (PTO) bucket.
So basically, if you call out sick, you're losing your vacation time. They can try to spin it anyway they want, but that's what it is.
We always get a laugh out of the posters HR sends out to our offices too, "Remember to have a healthy work/life balance" they say with people jumping in the air holding hands, with a green field and clouds in the background.
What a load of $#@&.
OK. Need to chime in here.
I live in Japan. The motto here is "soldier on." AND IT'S AWFUL!
It's really, really bad here. I can't stress it enough. Children, and adults alike are taught to just carry-on when they have a flu. A lot of it stems from a mannerism to always act as if everything is in harmony.... But, well...
It's considered 'good' to 'suffer' for the good of the company. Taking off for being sick is kind of laughed at here... it's considered weird. The mask is a mark of politeness, and people understand you shouldn't work hard, but not all professions are equal.
Oh, and FYI - the medical masks do nothing for protecting you against germs, but they help stop the spread of them once you are sick.
Wear the medical masks America, you can get Prada or Gucci, or Hello Kitty medical masks if you're concerned about not looking hip (I kid you not).
I wish things weren't so. I enjoy the idea of being able to take time off when sick to recover. I think I waste more money in productivity in the long run, when I am sick anyways...
I usually get around 5 colds a year, and it takes 1-2 weeks to get over them. Who has 5-10 weeks of sick pay? How can a student miss that much school? It's totally impractical.
And why would the article say that you should go see a doctor? So they can tell you, "Yeah, there's still not a cure for that," and bill you $150, after you sit in a waiting room for 45 minutes. What a load of crap.
The rule of thumb normally is no fever or vomiting for 24 hours before one should return to work or school. Runny noses and sneezing are problems that you cannot avoid especially since people with allergies have those same symptoms. The polite rules offered above make sense. Keeping public surfaces such as copy machines buttons, touch screens for payments in stores, doorknobs and light switches routinely sanitized makes sense, too.
As far as staying home when you are sick, of course you can't be out for weeks at a time because you have a lingering cough from post-nasal drip. However, my kids got sick lots of times from the child that was sent to school no matter how sick he or she was. Then they got to watch "Influenza Ian" or "Strep Throat Stacey" collect the "perfect attendance" award at the end of the year.
Colds last for a couple of weeks, but are not contagious for the entire time, so taking a day or two off would suffice, and this article talks about the flu anyway which is a completely different ball game.
And try being in University. People depend on me for my attendance, as I am a music student. If I'm not there for rehearsals and coachings, it is a BIG deal. Very little will ever keep me out of those. In fact, the only time I've ever missed due to illness has been this December and January...battling something that might be moderate-severe asthma that caused quite the crazy episode during an orchestra rehearsal...for which a friend convinced me to go get checked out, and then after a crazy two days of coughing this week, I had to get an x-ray to make sure I hadn't cracked a rib (just muscle strain, but almost as painful). Add to it that we basically have to have dr's notes if we miss anything, attendance does get taken, and if we miss, our grades start dropping automatically. The system is not set up for students to miss anything. We know that if something is going around, about half of us are going to get it, we have learned to live with it.
I agree that you should stay home if you're actively vomitting or have a fever, but what about the 3 days of sore throat preceding an illness, or the week-long chest cough that follows? Sometimes a cold is more than the sniffles, but still too frequent and persistent to allow staying home. A few years ago, I was literally sick for 3 months straight: constant sore throat, deep cough, sniffles... the works. I rested as much as I could, saw a doctor to rule out strep throat, secondary bacterial infections, etc. Finally I just got up, renewed my gym membership (which I had before getting sick) and exercised through the pain. I recovered in a few days. Maybe coincidence, maybe not. But I think you just have to go on with your life sometimes, sick or not!
If you have the common cold, I feel you should let your co-workers know so that they avoid touching surfaces you may have touched and stay out of your way when you cough, which isn't the same as the "I am not sick, just clearing my throat" cough. It's common courtesy and much appreciated.
Here is more common sense advice than what the article offers.
1. Never go around people if you are running a fever. Kids should absolutely NOT return to school until 24 hours after their fever has passed ( this means with no tylenol etc) At the beginning of the school year establish a sick-kid day plan. It will alleviate stress of finding a sitter at the last minute.
2. YOu are the most contagious during the first 48-72 hours of the cold and flu---If you can't take a whole week off of work--- take the first two days off.
3. If you have a severe sore throat and fever -- get tested for strep at a local rapid response or walk in clinic. It takes a few minutes---do it before you go into work.
4. Nothing is better at warding off germs than eating properly and getting enough sleep. It seems simple enough but most people don't do it.
5. Wash your hands with soap and water ( and dry them) before and AFTER eating. Wash them after going to the restroom ( which should be obvious)
6. If you have to sneeze or cough while others are around do so in the inner side of your elbow not your hand.
The article should have given these simple steps. Of course we want everyone to stay home when they are sick but that isn't always possible. If we can get people to stay home when they are the most contagious that would help significantly.
If you can't afford to breed, then don't. It's as simple as that.
This has nothing whatsoever to do with affording kids, Lucy. If everyone who might POSSIBLY get sick and lose income to support their family decided not to have kids, the human race would soon be extinct. I'm sorry you don't like kids, but that doesn't give you the right to diss those that do.
Catsclaw
You forgot to add, "It's as simple as that", or is that phrase only used by simpletons.
Hopefully you won't breed. I'd feel sorry for your children.
Lucy Silva must be one of those "pro-lifers" that shout "let 'em die!". What a cold person.
Moron
Please Lucy Silva RI, many Americans are uninsured. So whether you run out of sick days (kids or no) or never had any coverage Americans work while sick because many don't get paid if they stay home. And if they are really sick and use too much leave, they may find they eventually aren't needed on the job anymore. Few American employers give a rat's a** about your health: show up or get out.
Thank you Kingram! You are so correct!
Exactly Kingram! Employers want the working sheep to be complacent, compliant, resiliant, little robot soldiers who will gladly provide them with free slave labor.
I'm fortunate enough to work for a company that offers good medical insurance and 9 sick days a year but people STILL come to work sick. Just last week, one of my coworkers was complaining that she was sick because she caught it from some of our other coworkers...but she was at work spreading her germs.
And what if you are alone. Not many friends. No family. 2 girls to support. Independent Contractor so NO sick time pay, NO medical insurance, and your rent costs you 50% of your monthly paycheck.
Trish--YOU ARE RIGHT!
And BTW Lucy my 2 girls are 1 dog and 1 cat so I didn't actually breed. Besides their "deadbeat dad" divorced me after 20 yr marriage--took off to UK and refused to pay community property settlement. So PLEASE don't talk to me about not affording to breed. How insensitive and uncompassionate can you be?
You must be one of the "lucky" ones who's never experienced true life trauma. Just wait!
While I've never had the problem of not having sick days, I know many people who work for good pay & good jobs that don't give a lot of sick days. America has bred the work till you drop attitude - we don't take as much vacation or sick days as many other countries & this is the price you pay - overworked, over stressed, over tired & sick people in the work place. It will take a whole generation to change this attitude, if ever.
I agree. The American work ethic is somewhat ridiculous in this sense- vacations are frowned upon even if they are planned in advance, you are expected to come to work even if you are quite ill... even if you have a decent job... these days sick time sometimes isn't granted for some time. It is crazy... companies expect people to be robots. As a norm... human "eventualities" are not recognized... if corporations are people... they are quite unusual people... never get sick, never go on vacation, they have no family, and they are mostly 1%er's. LOL
http://money.cnn.com/2011/11/30/pf/unused_vacation/index.htm
http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2010/01/31/paid-holidaysvacation-days-in-the-u-s-versus-other-oecd-countries/
I just got out of the hospital from pneumonia. Typhoid Mary in our office brought in a lovely combination of coughing, hacking, flu symptoms and spread them liberally about. It darned neared killed me. I'd like to strangle her. No matter how ill she is, she has no compunction, whatsoever, of sharing her dreaded, flus, colds and other diseases. She only uses her sick time for her hangovers. I'm well 99.9% of the time, but when I'm sick, I stay home until I'm not infectious. I wish others would do the same. I did not enjoy spending the major part of the week in the hospital, hooked up to tubes, sucking down oxygen, and feeling near death.
Ugh, sorry you had to go through that, zapper! One piece of advice, if you don't mind. If she is so liberal with her germs, you might want to consider getting a pertussis booster. I got one while pregnant, to protect my soon-to-be-born child, because of the recent outbreaks. There were no side effects other than a slightly sore arm, and a severe case of pertussis can make pneumonia look like the sniffles. If you haven't updated your shots, do so, and save yourself some grief! Hope you recover completely, pneumonia is no fun!
Keep a supply of surgical masks in your desk and the next time she does that, give her one, tell her to wear it or else!!
Thanks Cats--been there, done that. I've taken the flu and pneumonia shots, too, but we can't beat every virus and bug, no matter how much we try. It comes down to respecting one another, and unfortunately, some folks are clueless.
What's up with the annoying blond woman in the photo. Mind your own business lady.
Even worse that this are folks who bring their sick kids to the office, because day care and school won't take sick kids. A co-worker brought her sick teen to work, put her at the empty desk next to mine, and guess who got sick. A professor brought his grade-school kid with chicken pox to his university classes, because his teacher-wife did not want to paid a sub so she could stay home with her kid.
Obviously, the prof thought his job and position were more important than his wife's. Why didn't he pay for a sub or just cancel the class (if he was tenured) and look after his kid. Come on Carolart, don't be so chauvinistic (there's that word again! What is this, the 1980's?). You too may find yourself in this dilemma one day.
Responding to N American Made: The point of my post was that not too many years ago, there was no vaccine for chicken pox, and epidemics of contagious diseases - like measles, mononucleosis, influenza - spread notoriously fast on college campuses. This young child of the professor could have exposed hundreds of students to chicken pox. Many of these diseases can cause birth defects in pregnant women, and a very great number of the female students on college campuses are of child-bearing age. Fortunately, I will never be in a position where I would knowingly take a child with a communicable disease out into the public.
Don't know what chauvinism has to do with this topic . . . .?
the chauvinist comment is because "because his teacher-wife did not want to paid a sub so she could stay home with her kid." He didn't bring the child to class because SHE didn't want to do blah blah blah to stay home with the kid. He brought the kid to class because NEITHER of them want to do what was necessary to stay how with the kid.
Yeah, why blame his wife? He could have just as easily stayed home with the kid. I see dozens of posts where non-parents scream bloody murder because "parents" take more sick days due to their children. Now apparently they have a fit when those same parents don't take sick days. And I'm sure they holler just as much if someone tries to leave their sick kid in school or daycare. Apparently you're just supposed to dispose of kids once they get sick or burdensome in any way.
I was 20 something, recently separated with 2 kids and receiving $200/mo. from their dad.
I worked at a job I trained for and loved. My boss was a kind, selfish chauvanist who thought the workplace would fall apart without him. You get my drift.
Salaried Henry came into work, sick, spread his germs all over the place for days. Then I (paid by the hour) got it. Had to stay home for close to a week and lost all that pay.
Over 30 yrs. later I still remember that, and am very considerate toward others if I'm sick. I stay home. I avoid those who are and openly spread their germs. I haven't been sick for close to a year.
How come my icon looks female today?
The other day when I spoke out, I was depicted as male. WTF?
because you're acting like a girl today!
just teasing :) it's random, I get male icons all the time, and just shrug my shoulders...so take it as a compliment...today you're both concise and logical
I remember working in retail and Moms would bring in their sick kids who would get their sticking snotty fingers on everything. It was so irritating. The Moms acted like there was nothing wrong with picking up their child from schoolor day care cause they were sick and then bringing them to the mall. I remember one Mom brought her child in with Chicken pox. I told her to leave the store. She said it was passed the contagious part, I said I don't care, how would we know for sure. She was so upset. I was completely in shock....who does that?
Then maybe you should have paid her the money in lost wages she would have incurred had she left. She probably had no choice. No work, no money.
Chuck - I think maybe you misread it, unless I misread it! I think they were saying that after picking up their sick kids, they took them to shop at the mall. Not to work. Shop.
I also am in the pool of workers whose companies have lumped vacation with sick and holidays too.
Now our PTO is a combination of the above. Basically we have 10 days off for all. I am not one to go to work sick, but employers force hourly workers to do so because of such policies. Plus... they do not care if you are sick.
Anyone remember all the kids that used to get awards at the end of the year for not missing any school? I volunteered in school and many of these so-called super healthy kids came to school with flu, stomach flu, etc.
I forgot about the awards for the "healthy" kids! Besides making the kids who battled chronic illness feel bad that they were chronically ill, yes, those were the kids that puked on the floor in the lunch room, visited the school nurse for a couple of hours because their parents couldn't be bothered and then went back to class, sweating and ill.
So a person starts sneezing and gets ostracized? My allergies love you germ-aphobes... and we need a sarcasm font.
Most people can tell the difference between someone having an allergy attack and someone dying from sweats, shakes while radiating a weird gray-green color.:) Not to mention, the sick person is usually telling everyone how much he/she is sick and warning people to stay away, which is impossible in most work environment.
I have allergies and frequently sneeze for no apparent reason...I let people around me know that I'm not sick, it's allergies, and apologize but that I have no way to know when it's going to strike
What's really funny, at least to me. Before my recent problems with arthritis, back when I worked, I worked in a doctors office. I was exposed to everything, frequently. Heck, had one patient with actual cat scratch fever. Anyway, the first year I worked there, I caught everything that came in. Sometimes twice. After that though, I never got sick. Not once. Had a guy vomit on me from a stomach flu and I was fine.
Exposure isn't always a death sentance and might actual strengthen the immune system folks.
Heck, I'm thinking of going back to work against my doctor's orders, just to be healthier.
I am in the process of possibly getting diagnosed with asthma (crazy deep wracking but very dry coughs) and I am always saying two things around the university "I'm okay" "It's not contagious". Activity, especially in the cold, seems to aggravate things, so when I come into my classes or rehearsals, because I've been walking outside pretty fast for a few minutes, I'm usually coughing who knows how many times in a row (I once counted 30 times). Another time, I stayed outside the classroom to cough before going in to avoid disturbing so many, but all that did was end up having three people open the doors (not of the classroom!) and ask if I was all right...two from practice rooms, and then one of my old profs from his office...sigh.
I'm curious - in what country does the teacher have to pay for the sub herself? This isn't posting properly but this is in response to carolart.
no country, this teacher didn't want to make up lesson plans and/or change what the had planned that day...the fact is, teachers are under TREMENDOUS pressure to get through X topics during the year, and make sure the kids have mastered those topics...otherwise, it's the teacher's fault, not the student's (because they don't study or do homework or goof around in class), or the parent's (because they don't provide time and location to do homework, and inspect to make sure it's done, or expect excellence from their children)
All school districts have a list of subs to call, some are good, some are just taking up space, but the teacher doesn't pay for it out of their salary
At the school where my husband teaches, if a teacher has used all of their sick days, the money for a sub comes out of their paycheck unless they joined the sick leave pool and have missed for a qualifying reason. He had a stroke last year, and after he had used all of his sick days and the days from the sick leave pool, the money for a sub came out of his paycheck. He has already used all of his days this year for follow up doctor appointments, so if he misses any more, he will have to pay for a sub. I imagine its the same for many districts.
Join me for lunch at McDonalds?
A co-worker of mine became ill with the flu, came to work and was visibly in bad shape. We felt bad for her but also for the rest of us as we all got what she had by the end of the week. It's life, it happens... but this biatch also called in sick 2 of those days, had all of our schedules changed to accommodate for her absence and then went to the holiday party; at work no less! Calling in sick: Yes! Stay the hell away! Come to the holiday office party on your call in sick day: You stupid biatch! Then get us all sick... dumb ass! (sp)
One of the reasons why I moved out of NY was because of the lack of etiquette. At any given time when I was walking to the bus or train I would encounter some nasty person who was hawking their spit or coughing without covering their mouths. I don't know how many times I have seen people - Asian, Indian, whatever - cover one nostril and blow out the other right onto the street. It was so freaking gross. Disgusting. I felt like I was walking into a cesspool every time I stepped into the street and had to deal with crowds. And I lived in a nice area in Queens! I couldn't believe how nasty people are.
Now where I live I drive everywhere and my office is small. Usually when people are sick here we cough into tissue and clean ourselves in the bathroom - not in the street.
What bothers me is the people who spit in bus shelters. That is gross too, and spitting is completely unnecessary.
I was sick once and couldn't afford to miss work. I went to the doctor for a prescription, and he tried to convince me I just needed to stay home and rest instead of any meds. He gave me the old line, "What's more important, your job or your health?" I replied, "My job, because if I don't have one, I can't pay for my health."
Anyway, I love when companies always advocate staying home when you're sick. But when you actually do, your boss and coworkers get upset if you're missing more than a single day. Nobody really means it when they say they want you stay home. It's lose-lose. Wear a surgical mask to work as someone posted. That's your only happy medium.
Especially now that there are more people than jobs available, no one wants to take a chance.
It annoys me to the extreme when co-workers call in sick for the day and then I see them at after hours business social functions. Especially when there's entertainment. They'll miss work but always find a way to show up at this stuff!
Perhaps they called in because they had to stay home with a sick child, then when their spouse came home they were able to get out of the house for a couple of hours and go to the after work function. Perhaps they went simply because they missed being in the office that day and had to talk to someone about something work related.
I guess I'm one of the few who actually agree with this article. #1) We all get some amount of sick days per year - five, ten, whatever. Don't use them for anything other than a contagious or serious illness. If you have a headache, suck it up. Then, you'll have some days to use when the flu hits you or your kid. #2) Use a freaking tissue. Or your shirt. SOMETHING. I despise it when people cough or sneeze in front of me and don't cover up. It always seems like I get seated next to the person on the airplane who is hacking too. #3) Stop touching gross public things like doorknobs, buttons, etc. and then touching your face without washing your hands!
Sorry, it only takes a little bit of common sense.
I get 5 sick days a year. I have a three year old who is not allowed to go to school when ill. Luckily or me, my sister in law has been laid off for the last year and hasn't been able to find a job so she has been acting as emergency back-up child care. When she goes back to work, I'll have to stay home every time he is sick, even when it's non-contagious like an ear infection. Oh and he also suffers from migraines so when they strike I also have to keep him home. In December he was only healthy enough to attend preschool for 10 days. How is someone supposed to be able to do that and still have the ability to take time off for their own illness? The policy should be if you have a doctor's note saying you or your child are ill and should stay home, then you should receive a paid day off. Not only would this encourage people to stay home when sick, but it would encourage them to see a doctor when they are sick.
I work in an office.I don't get a single sick day a year. I don't get any benefits. I go to work sick because I can't afford to stay home. When I start getting benefits I'll start staying home. I disinfect, of course.
Many jobs are paid hourly and did not have sick days.
My husband drives a school bus. So, every September he comes home with some kind of nasty bug to share with me.
I drove a vehicle and had to haul various personnel from point A to point B. Some of them had colds, flu, etc. and of course you're cooped up in a van with them. I would drink plenty of OJ and made sure I took a good multivitamin every day. I think I only got sick once in five years.
Call in sick saying I have a cold? Are you kidding me? My bosses would NOT think that was acceptable. Colds last almost two weeks, you simply cannot stay home that long. And the friends that have been waiting weeks to see you won't understand if you tell them you have a cold. Actually, I canceled a 4th date because of a cold once and that was that, he though I was a jerk. Friends and dates want to see you suffer with the cold before they let you go home early.
If you cannot get out of bed with the flu that is one thing, of course you have to stay home. But sneezing and sniffling and coughing are something you unfortunately have to deal with at work and in public.
Sounds like a lot of whiners here. Can't get sick days, won't get paid, etc. That doesn't justify spreading your germs to others, does it? If you really do work in such a sweatshop environment, go find yourself another job. Likewise, if you think the American workplace is so exploitative, go work in another country, any company in Europe, for instance, will offer a generous sick leave policy.
Where? Are you hiring? Spoken like a true 1%er. Guess life is simple for a simpleton.
Wow, what an elitist. Not every job pays equally, not every job provides the same benefits. There are more talented people than there are jobs with benefits, at the moment. Other than that, you couldn't have your precious job with its perks if everyone was the same. If everyone had a high-paying salary you wouldn't have anyone to do your laundry or flip your burgers. Maybe with the advent of the interwebs you finally have it in your face that those people are actual intelligent human beings and not epsilon simi-morons. THINK. In a class-based society some do not have, that does not mean those people are unintelligent. There are winners and losers. I'm tired of hearing the people who make it out on top complain about problems they create and blame it on those they inflict it on. Pathetic.
Well, it appears to me that you are the one doing the whining, and about spreading germs. Your hypocrisy is self-evident.
What's real cool is when parents bring their kids to a lunch buffet and let them cough all over the food. Fun times! That kind of turned me off of going to places with an all-day buffet.
Who friggin cares! This aversion to being around any germs is stupid. More exposure to germs makes you stronger in the long run. Getting the flu isn't the end of the world!
Not if one is young/middle aged and in good health. But many people have underlying health problems, Feedotter, and the flu could be fatal or develope into a secondary infection.....
Well if you have cancer and are being treated for it with drugs that suppress the immune system, getting the flu could be the end of your life. Of course, I have no doubt that you care nothing about that, since your narcissism is so highly evident. Your lack of caring about anyone other than yourself contributes nothing to this forum, so you would be best advised to go away and stop making such a fool of yourself.