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    3
    May
    2012
    8:57am, EDT

    Should we call it quits? A new kind of couples counseling

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    By Diane Mapes

    Many unhappily married couples turn to marriage counselors to help them improve their relationship. Now a new type of couples therapy helps them figure out whether the best solution is to call it quits.

    "We basically only see people where divorce is on the table," says Bill Doherty, a professor in the family social science department at the University of Minnesota, who was recently featured in a Wall Street Journal story about a new therapy called discernment counseling.

    Unlike traditional marriage counseling, in which couples try to work through their marital problems, discernment counseling aims to help struggling couples decide whether to "improve the marriage or let it go," Doherty says.

    According to Doherty, who developed the innovative therapy for the Minnesota Couples on the Brink Project, many marriage counselors discover during the first session that divorce is already being discussed.

    "Around 30 percent of the couples coming into marriage counseling are mixed agenda couples," he says. "Divorce is on the table for one of the parties. Traditional marriage counseling has no way to deal with those people. It's been area of frustration for a lot of marriage counselors."

    Joe Guppy, a couples counselor from Seattle, says this has definitely been his experience.

    "Couples counselors have been aware for decades of the need to discern whether the couple has come in to stay together or to break up," he says. "Oftentimes, one of the couple knows he or she wants to leave, hasn't told the partner and is essentially bringing the counselor on board to help soften the blow."

    Doherty refers to these spouses as "leaning out," while those who want to stay in the marriage are "leaning in."

    "The name discernment counseling is important because sometimes the person who is leaning out will run the clock out on marriage counseling," he says. "They'll show up, but won't really try, then will pronounce that marriage counseling didn't work. What I say is, 'We don't know if marriage counseling will work. We haven't tried it yet. We're deciding whether or not to do it.'"

    What makes discernment counseling different?

    Aside from slapping out the D-word for all to discuss, the practice incorporates both individual and couples counseling.

    "They both come in and there's a check-in [with a counselor], then you meet for part of the session with one [spouse] and part of the session with the other," says Doherty. "Then there's a check-out, where you meet with both and summarize what each is taking out with them. Marriage counseling is primarily both people in the room at the same time, working on their problems together."

    Couples meet with a discernment counselor up to five times, but can stop whenever they want. During the first session, the counselor will talk to both about what's been good (and bad) about the marriage and will ask what they've done to iron out their difficulties. The counselor will also lay out three paths -- staying in the marriage as is, moving toward a divorce, or trying a six-month-long reconciliation path in which they work on the marriage via traditional couples therapy.

    So far, Doherty and his colleagues have worked with 50 couples and are currently training additional counselors in the practice. While no data is available yet on whether discernment counseling is more effective than traditional counseling with regard to keeping a couple together (traditional marriage counseling has a success rate of 70 to 80 percent), Doherty says the response from marriage counselors has been overwhelming.

    "They have not had any specific tools or protocols to deal with the mixed agenda couple," he says. "Over time, we have to evaluate and study it and it may be that better tools will come along. But there's been a big gap in the field."

    Annie Lareau, a 43-year-old arts administrator from Seattle who divorced after several years of couples therapy, says she thinks discernment counseling sounds like a promising idea.

    "I think it's a more realistic approach," she says. "It would be horrible if you went to a counselor, trying to save [your marriage] and then when it ended, you had no support. There's so much to work out as a couple in terms of your future, especially if you have children. Counseling allows you to move on faster."

    Working with both parties individually helps ease what can be a traumatic process, says Doherty, especially in cases where one partner is left shell-shocked, bitter and angry by their spouse's desire to leave.

    "We work with the leaning out person separately, helping them not do further damage to the marriage," he says. "And we help the leaning in person, too. A lot of times when the decision's been sprung on somebody, they complain and scold and call the relatives and tell the kids, 'Mommy's trying to throw me out of the house.' We help the leaning in spouse bring their best game to this crisis, as opposed to that desperate game you bring when you get that message."

    Mainly, discernment counseling helps the couple truly think through what can be a life-altering decision.

    "It's almost always a good idea to slow it down and look at the marriage from five different angles, including what your own role in it was," says Doherty. "You can't divorce yourself. If people end a marriage without looking at their own contributions to the problems, they are leaving with a big blind spot. And the divorce rate in second marriages is even higher than first marriages."

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  • 13
    Mar
    2012
    6:12pm, EDT

    Are there areas where you would like to improve your marriage?

    Is there anything about your marriage you'd like to improve?

    Take our poll and then tune into TODAY Wednesday (3/14) when we will talk to author Elizabeth Weil and experts about what it means to have a good marriage.

    Are there areas where you would like to improve your marriage?

    If you answered yes, let us know what areas you'd like to improve in the comment section below.

    Read an excerpt from Weil's book, "No Cheating, No Dying: I Had a Good Marriage. Then I Tried to Make it Better."

    Also answer our poll about whether or not you have a good marriage here.

    Results
    Total of 736 votes

    88.7%
    Yes
    653 votes
    11.3%
    No
    83 votes

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  • 13
    Mar
    2012
    3:06pm, EDT

    Do you have a good marriage?

    Is your marriage good, or good enough? 

    Take our poll and then tune into TODAY Wednesday (3/14) when we will talk to author Elizabeth Weil and experts about what it means to have a good marriage.

    Do you have a good marriage

    Answer our second marriage question, about whether or not there are areas you would like to improve in your marriage here.

    Read an excerpt from Weil's book, "No Cheating, No Dying: I Had a Good Marriage. Then I Tried to Make it Better."

    Discuss your thoughts on what makes a good marriage in the comment section below.

    Results
    Total of 1,782 votes

    83.8%
    Yes
    1,494 votes
    16.2%
    No
    288 votes

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  • 14
    Feb
    2012
    5:57pm, EST

    Long-time couples share their stay-in-love secrets

    By Kavita Varma-White

    We recently reported on new research that suggests that many married couples who have been together for a long time are still deeply in love.

    The national survey of married Americans found that  40 percent of those who'd been married at least 10 years said they remained "very intensely" in love with their partner. The study sought to determine whether long-term romantic love was just a rare phenomenon, but researchers found just the opposite. Even for the longest marriages -- three decades or more -- 40 percent of women and 35 percent of men said they were still madly in love. 

    So we turned to TODAY Health readers on Facebook who have had happy, successful, long-term marriages, and asked the million dollar question: Just how do you do it?

    Some gave us insight into truly amazing partnerships. Susan Hennink Olthof says she is still "deeply in love" with her husband of 40 years. Their secrets?

    "Commitment to our marriage, laughter, shared values and faith in God, willingness to allow each other to grow and change...I could keep going! We're not perfect individually, but as close to being as perfect a couple as I know!"

    Peggy Zampetti Frederick has been married for more than 35 years. She says she and her husband's longevity secret actually isn't a secret at all. 

    "We make a conscious effort to remember that it's not about "me" . . . it's about "us". With this philosophy and the ability to laugh at our many foibles, we have weathered many a storm."

    Many readers also shared photos, along with their stories and marital advice. Read on to see what keeps them ticking, from weekly date nights to common interests to making sure the marriage recipe has ingredients such as support, humor and trust.

    Courtesy of Ida Pence Waterous

    The Waterouses have been together 43 years and say they are still "very much in love," says Ida Waterous. "Our secret? Faith, honesty, being each others best friends and fighting fair when necessary."

    Courtesy Malgorzata Baker

    The Bakers celebrate 19 years of marriage next month. Their advice? "RESPECT and LOVE ♥ is the key."

    Courtesy Laura Geffre

    The Geffres have been dating for 18 years and have been married for 12. Says Laura Geffre: "Communication, space, support, humor, and trust. ♥ No one better suited for me than this guy."

    Courtesy Lea Hatch

    The Hatches have been "madly in love" since they were kids, says Lea Hatch. "First met at ages 6 and 8 while taking piano lessons together .. and first dated in highschool ... married now for 31 years. We still have 'Thursday Date Night' together -- and still enjoy discovering "firsts" together! Seven kids, 14 grandkids, gray hair & creaking knees .. but I love this man dearly -- and I'm still his sweetie!"

    Courtesy Sarah Thomas Bobo

    Sarah Bobo writes of her marriage: "After our struggles with infertility and then having 4 kids, 3 of which came prematurely, we have had our fair share of stress and pain. The one thing I would emphasis more then any is to put the other person first. It is so important to be aware of your partner's needs and not to be selfish. I have found that this helps me to be closer and more in love with my husband daily, even after 12 years of marriage!"

    Courtesy Amanda Southard

    Says Amanda Southard of the 12 years she has shared with her partner: "I believe it's because we have a lot in common...both were in the military, we enjoy motorcycle riding, and raising our children."

    Courtesy Jude Reed Fore

    Mark and Judy Fore are celebrating 21 years of marriage this year. Says Judy: "Our marriage continues to bring each of us such joy and happiness that we share with our 3 sons. It works because it's a 50/50 relationship, with plenty of love, trust, honesty and FUN! We enjoy spending time together, take "Anniversary" trips and make sure we have "date" night every weekend. We love football,Jimmy Buffett Concerts and can finish each other's thoughts out loud...I pray that we have been a good example for our sons so that they have successful relationships ...Marriage is a commitment, but when it's right, it is soooooooooooooo right!"

    Courtesy Laura Renwick Tiedge

    The Tiedges have adored each other for almost 28 years.Laura Tiedge's advice: "Love your children but don't let parenting consume your relationship as a couple! Once they are grown you'll want to still love/like each other!"

    Courtesy Bev Haut

    Dave and Bev Haut, together for 16 years. Bev tells their story: "We met online; I lived in Atlanta, he lived in SoCal, and we somehow found each other. The secret to our success? We have a common goal: caring more about the other's happiness than our own."

    Courtesy Janie Heniford

    The Henifords have been madly in love for 27 years, and Janie explains why: "What's made our romance last, i believe, is that we don't just love each other -- we're really, truly in love with each other. My heart still flips when he walks in the door. I still consider myself the luckiest girl in the world."

     

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  • 19
    Jan
    2012
    2:19pm, EST

    Couples who cohabitate are happier than marrieds

    Rachael Rettner
    MyHealthNewsDaily

    We've heard married people are happier, but that might not be a reason to rush to the altar, according to a new study.

    In terms of health, self-esteem, and psychological well-being, marriage offers little benefit over simply living together without wedding rings, the study found.

    It's the relationship itself, rather than its official status, that's key to its benefits, said study researcher Kelly Musick, an associate professor of policy analysis and management at Cornell University's College of Human Ecology.

    "Being in a romantic relationship, irrespective of the legal form, does provide benefits over remaining single," Musick said.

    Moreover, the findings suggest that for some, cohabitation may be the better option than marriage, Musick said. Participants who cohabited in the study were happier and had greater self-esteem than those who were married. This may be because cohabitation offers more room for independence and personal growth, which may be particularly important for some people at certain stages in life, Musick said.

    The study is published in the February issue of the Journal of Marriage and Family.

    Marriage vs. cohabitation
    Many previous studies looking at the benefits of marriage have focused on comparing married couples with single people, or comparing married with cohabiting couples at one point in time.

    The new study followed 2,737 single men and women over six years to see what happened when they entered a relationship or got married. The study data were drawn from national surveys given in the late 1980s and early 1990s.

    Participants rated their overall health and happiness, and were also asked questions to assess their self -esteem, depression and the strength of their ties to friends and family.

    Over the study period, close to 900 participants married or began living with a romantic partner.

    In general, both marriage and cohabitation came with an uptick in well being. Those who got married or started living with a partner experienced higher levels of happiness, and lower levels of depression, than those who remained single, although these advantages faded with time.

    People who married did report better overall health compared with those who cohabited, which may be explained by the entitlements (such as health insurance for spouses) that come with marriage.

    However, marriage and cohabitation also reduced contact with family and friends compared to being single, and this effect lasted over time.

    The researchers noted it's been about 20 years since the surveys they used were performed, and the relative benefits of marriage versus cohabitation may have changed in recent years.

    However, it's not clear whether their findings would be more or less true today, Musick said. On the one hand, the experiences of marriage and cohabitation have become increasingly similar. But on the other hand, marriage may still hold a greater social status than cohabitation in the United States, she said.

    Better off married?
    The new findings are extremely valuable because they provide a clearer picture of the advantages of marriage, and counter the view that "marriage is the solution to so many of our problems" said Gary Lee, professor and chair department of sociology at Bowling Green State University in Ohio, who was not involved in the study. "I think that’s an incredibly naive view," Lee said.

    People who claim marriage brings great benefits to everyone "are kind of cherry-picking the research," Lee said.

    In reality, the people who aren't getting married may not be doing so because it won’t make them any better off, Lee said. In today's economic environment, marriage does not bring the same financial benefits as it used it, he said.

    The researchers emphasized that "we are certainly not saying that marriage is irrelevant for individual well-being," Musick said. For some, marriage may be a great source of happiness.

    Still, the findings call into question the value of using limited resources on campaigns to promote marriage over other family forms, Musick said.  More research is needed to better inform policy-makers about the advantages, or lack thereof, of such campaigns.

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